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Daks

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Hi,

I just want to ask if anyone here has the Vinyl for The Long Fall Back To Earth? That album has a sentimental value to me, it was released exactly on my 30th Birthday, if anyone here has the Vinyl copy can you please send me an MP3 copy of the Vinyl version of the album. Please send it to runinthenight@live.com

Thank you so much!
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Why do you want an mp3 version of the vinyl, Daks? I never understood that part.

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Why do you want an mp3 version of the vinyl, Daks? I never understood that part.


since i won't be able to have a vinyl copy of the whole album, atleast i want a vinyl copy on an mp3 format, if you search bing.com or google you can convert a vinyl to an mp3 file... i want the mp3 file of the vinyl copy of the long fall back to earth.
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But then still, what's the difference between a CD and a vinyl rip? Even if you use good software and have a good record player, I doubt anyone but a true audiophile would be able to hear the difference. And with bad software and a mediocre record player the quality will definitely be less than a CD.

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But then still, what's the difference between a CD and a vinyl rip? Even if you use good software and have a good record player, I doubt anyone but a true audiophile would be able to hear the difference. And with bad software and a mediocre record player the quality will definitely be less than a CD.

i can hear the difference so if anyone out there who can help me out, anyone? david? josh?

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I'd do it, but I need to replace the belt on my turn table... It may take me a month or so.
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Hey, can't help out with the rip... but your request is absurd (no offense intended):

- some people claim that a high-quality vinyl rip sounds better than a CD rip, but you need very high-end gear to get a good analog-to-digital rip... equipment that probably nobody here has

- assuming that you can find a company/person that has high-end equipment to do the rip, most of these rips are stored in the FLAC format at 96khz/24-bit... but you then want someone to convert that high-quality rip into an MP3!!??!! The MP3 format tops out at 320kbps, so all the high-quality information is lost... so in the end the MP3 would destroy the FLAC rip.

In short, your request is possible, but would be a complete waste of time/resources... sorry!


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Why do you want an mp3 version of the vinyl, Daks? I never understood that part.


since i won't be able to have a vinyl copy of the whole album, atleast i want a vinyl copy on an mp3 format, if you search bing.com or google you can convert a vinyl to an mp3 file... i want the mp3 file of the vinyl copy of the long fall back to earth.


Yeah I know you can, I actually have a Vinyl player that does that. I just do not see how an mp3 version of what's on the vinyl would do.

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When I first saw this thread I thought it was an April Fools joke, but then I checked the calender.

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I'd do it, but I need to replace the belt on my turn table... It may take me a month or so.


Thanks man! I can wait. The best reply I've got here.
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I'd do it, but I need to replace the belt on my turn table... It may take me a month or so.


Thanks man! I can wait. The best reply I've got here.


Enjoy your high-quality MP3's!!

And if you can hear a difference with your regular MP3's then research: Placebo

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Wow I'm shocked at the hateful responses here. The guy was just asking a favor, he wasn't asking you to critique it or tell whether you thought it was a good idea. He doesn't owe an explanation for why he wants a mp3 copy of vinyl. Why even respond if you don't see the need to help him. I have come to find that "christians" can be some of the rudest most judgmental people.

Now I wish I would have had something other than my LFBTE vinyl signed by the band, otherwise, I would have given it away.
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Wow I'm shocked at the hateful responses here. The guy was just asking a favor, he wasn't asking you to critique it or tell whether you thought it was a good idea. He doesn't owe an explanation for why he wants a mp3 copy of vinyl. Why even respond if you don't see the need to help him. I have come to find that "christians" can be some of the rudest most judgmental people.

Now I wish I would have had something other than my LFBTE vinyl signed by the band, otherwise, I would have given it away.

Hateful? I really wouldn't go that far... maybe some responses were unnecesary, but I don't think anyone was or was trying to be hateful. It also depends on how you take things on the internet. Perhaps you read the responses with a more derogatory tone than the poster was intending. I think most were fine though. Stand gave a nice explanation to explain his thoughts on why he thought the request was odd. You don't have to listen or agree with him.


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I could drop my mp3s into Audition and add some GENUINE vinyl crackle to them. Would that help?

Maybe once, in the early days of CDs, vinyl actually sounded better (digital mastering techniques still being perfected, for eg). I don't believe anyone who makes that claim these days though. And I'm someone who converted my entire vinyl collection (about 500-odd) to mp3 before selling it all up. Now guess what I'm doing? Yep, re-buying digital (and, in most cases, remastered) versions of them.

None of which will help Cadillac get past seeing Christians with contrary opinions to other Christians as anything but overly judgmental. Loving your neighbour doesn't mean you have to bite your tongue every time you disagree with them.
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                Cadillac, I do not think the responses were hateful. 4 - 5 months ago, Daks asked me to rip the LFBTE vinyl for him. I was not home around that time. Anyways, I could have done that later, had I known better how to use my player. I never learnt how to do it and I thought it would be somewhat hard to make a nice cut on the recordings. I think that after trying, my job would be really shitty, so why bother trying. In between then and now, I have been abroad 75% of the time and during the time I was home, I did not have much spare time to mess with the player.

I have met Daks on the boards a long time ago, he's been here for quite a long time now, as have I. Now how long have you been around? I do not think anyone here meant to be hateful towards his request. Some of the responses did give him
nice and technically the reasons why a vinyl rip would not be worth it.

I purchased 4 LFBTE packages and if necessary, I would have purchased many others to help more foreigner Jarks. I do not remember anybody else asking for help back then.

I am a foreigner Jark myself and many people have helped me big time all along and I am always glad to help others with whatever I am able to, as long as it is practical and makes sense. You know what would make more sense? To give away our own vinyls, because they mean a lot to other people (well it means a lot to me too).

When people e-mail me directly asking for help, I try my best. I have helped many people, some showed true appreciation, some deceived me badly. I am still glad to be able to help though. Also, I truly think it is better when people do that (e-mail me directly), rather than starting a new thread for that purpose.

Daks comment got my attention though. I do not think Trigger's response was the best response he got. It was just another response. All were good in their own way or were intended to discuss the subject of the thread.

I know David is also a great Jark-fellow and ALWAYS helps people here. I know the other guys are also nice people.

I think Daks was open to discuss why he wanted the vinyl rip and he even did so. He then got information maybe he was not familiar with. I was not.

AND how is this even supposed to have anything to do with being / not being christian?

I would not feel offended by these comments, this is to hoping Jark Fellow Daks would not either.

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AND how is this even supposed to have anything to do with being / not being christian?

Yes, practically questioning people's faith and salvation was pretty uncalled for.


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No hate here, I've helped Daks before and I would have no problem helping him in the future.

His request was absurd/illogical, and I tried to explain why. Even if someone sent him 96/24 flac files, he probably wouldn't have the tech to benefit by the higher quality. I've tried to test higher quality files myself, but I don't have the equipment to hear any difference.



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I like to exercise my interpretation of the word absurd

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I wasn't questioning salvation, etc. But I found smiley faces with rolling eyes and the way that people gave their opinions rude and not Christian like. My interpretation of some of the responses was "your dumb for wanting this, or I don't see the need to do this because Im so smart." Apparently, he has his own personal reason for wanting an mp3 copy of the vinyl, did he ask for your opinion on his request? Either somebody help him or not, simple as that.

I would have jumped on helping him, but my wife and I have been saving to buy a record player for some time now. I even considered mailing my autographed copy of the vinyl to him, but my wife ordered the package for my birthday last year when we could barely afford it. I would not want my wife to think that I was unappreciative of her thoughtful gift.

Oh well, I guess I took the responses and smiley faces out of context, once again.
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You did buddy, you did. I assume we all feel compelled to try and be rather natural when engaging conversations in this board. I am seriously not trying to be Christian-like, not trying to be rude / nonChristian-like, I am just me + that's me.

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At first I thought all of YOUR responses were April fools jokes, but then I remembered how unpious and intelligent you all are ..... But I am not being rude in any way in this post.

I would however, like to thank many of you for reminding me why I stopped going to church.

You post demeaning things in subtle ways and then when someone calls you out on it.... You deny being a smart-ass. You also have to post some long response about how smart you are and how dumb the persons request is? Come on! If you think the request is "absurd" ignore it. You don't have to post something superior. "I would help you, but I'm not going to because it's a waste of time and your request is dumb"..... Why even post!!!!!! Maybe you guys should think about how your responses come across to others.

I'm done with this joke of a forum group.
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Cadillac, please don't go... your contributions to this forum will be sadly missed 

Yes I like to use emoticons 

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... back on topic

Daks, check out HDTracks.com and download the 96khz-24bit sample album. Then download the 44khz-16bit sample album and compare the sound files. Do a blind test (using Foobar and ABX) and see if you can tell the difference.

If you do, then come back to the forum and ask someone to rip the records as 96khz-24bit Flac files... then enjoy!

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Why is he always so defensive?

Cadillac, I have gone through all your almost 60 posts and almost all of them sound so bitter, with a few exceptions, we are not trying to be rude to you, but you are constantly defending yourself in a harsh way. I start to think that because you did not have to defend yourself in a while, you jumped in here to defend Daks, for the sake of ... this.

The fact that you stopped going to church should maybe spark something positive in you, and not this whole animosity over-reaction at things.

Saying we pose as the smart-asses is again uncalled for, coming from you. You call us a joke, then leave man or are you expecting us adults will bribe you into staying? Sooooooooooooo demagoguish.

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Lol @ Cadillac. Seriously, talk about OTT. Good luck finding a forum comprised predominantly of Christians where everyone is lovey dovey, only ever has nice things to say about everything and still manages to contain relevant, challenging discussion. I'm reminded of a quote from Warren Wiersbe: 'If you ever find the perfect church, please don't join it. If you do, it won't be perfect anymore!' Sounds to me like you could probably do with going back to church and learning how to deal with flawed human beings who also happen to be Christians. I don't see how not going should necessarily be all that positive (sorry Juk).

If it makes you feel better, I won't deny being a smart ass. That was clearly my intent. But I don't think I (or Stand) was saying Daks was dumb for his request - he might not have asked for an opinion, but should people not offer advise when a better alternative can be offered, or a (perceived) error can be corrected? Seems just as wrong to let someone continue in their ignorance (Daks - not saying you're ignorant, just that this is a logical result of Cadillac's call to keep opinions to yourself)

Anyway, totally off topic now. I also considered offering my vinyl copy (still sealed), but then my pack won't be complete. Not that I listen to the vinyl of course, but it's all part of the special edition package. 
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Thanks Seth,
The way you put it is clearer than the way I was trying to say it all along.
About stopping going to church, he was so thankful for 'getting reminders' of why he stopped going that it sounded like the overall unquestionably best option, thus the potential overall positive outcome. You should at least be in peace with such decision.

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It ultimately comes down to people being very easily offended these days. And if you spend your time looking for people's dirt and hatred, you will end up convincing yourself of finding it, even in places where it is perhaps nonexistant. Cadillac, I am very truly sorry about the conclusions you have drawn.


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Yep, definitely. People just don't know how to take criticism or deal with negativity. 

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You should at least be in peace with such decision.

Totally agree.
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Thanks for all your responses, comments, critics, emoticons... I would still love to have a copy of the vinyl on MP3 format.


I'm listening to Nothing At All by Third Day while I post this message. ahehem...
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Wow I'm shocked at the hateful responses here. The guy was just asking a favor, he wasn't asking you to critique it or tell whether you thought it was a good idea. He doesn't owe an explanation for why he wants a mp3 copy of vinyl. Why even respond if you don't see the need to help him. I have come to find that "christians" can be some of the rudest most judgmental people.

Now I wish I would have had something other than my LFBTE vinyl signed by the band, otherwise, I would have given it away.


Thanks CadillacKincaid, I appreciate this.
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Hey, can't help out with the rip... but your request is absurd (no offense intended):

- some people claim that a high-quality vinyl rip sounds better than a CD rip, but you need very high-end gear to get a good analog-to-digital rip... equipment that probably nobody here has

- assuming that you can find a company/person that has high-end equipment to do the rip, most of these rips are stored in the FLAC format at 96khz/24-bit... but you then want someone to convert that high-quality rip into an MP3!!??!! The MP3 format tops out at 320kbps, so all the high-quality information is lost... so in the end the MP3 would destroy the FLAC rip.

In short, your request is possible, but would be a complete waste of time/resources... sorry!


a treasure for me maybe a waste for others like you... but nothing beats the sound of an old fashioned vintage vinyl on an ipod. It is so sad that others won't hear the difference from listening to a vinyl... clean your ears baby.
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Music from vinyl indeed does sound different. I assumed you were after the most clean rip from the vinyl for even higher quality than the CD. But now it turns our your looking for some vintage vinyl pops. Then you need to make sure that the person who converts it for you has played his vinyl a lot of times. ;-)

I can now understand better why you want these rips. The crackling sound of a running vinyl is indeed unbeatable! Unfortunately I don't have access to my vinyl collection right now (even though I have MA, TLFBTE and s/t), so I won't be able to convert it for you. (And I also don't have the proper equipment / software to do this.)

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Music from vinyl indeed does sound different. I assumed you were after the most clean rip from the vinyl for even higher quality than the CD. But now it turns our your looking for some vintage vinyl pops. Then you need to make sure that the person who converts it for you has played his vinyl a lot of times. ;-)

I can now understand better why you want these rips. The crackling sound of a running vinyl is indeed unbeatable! Unfortunately I don't have access to my vinyl collection right now (even though I have MA, TLFBTE and s/t), so I won't be able to convert it for you. (And I also don't have the proper equipment / software to do this.)


There, someone who understands. I already have the self-titled vinyl on an MP3 format converted for me by Josh. I just need the other two. You can find a lot of softwares to convert vinyl to mp3 or even flac if you search on Bing.com
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If you're patient, I'm going to convert my vinyl (ST, MA & TLFBTE + Remix Culture, a rarity that contains Flood (Junior Vasquez remix)) to FLAC. It probably won't be this month, though, as I'm in the midst of a massive 35mm slide scanning project.
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If you're patient, I'm going to convert my vinyl (ST, MA & TLFBTE + Remix Culture, a rarity that contains Flood (Junior Vasquez remix)) to FLAC. It probably won't be this month, though, as I'm in the midst of a massive 35mm slide scanning project.

I'd love to have access to those FLAC files please.

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If you're patient, I'm going to convert my vinyl (ST, MA & TLFBTE + Remix Culture, a rarity that contains Flood (Junior Vasquez remix)) to FLAC. It probably won't be this month, though, as I'm in the midst of a massive 35mm slide scanning project.

I'd love to have access to those FLAC files please.


I'll only be doing them in 44.1/16-bit, though. I trust HydrogenAudio's Vinyl FAQ: http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=FAQs_%28Vinyl%29
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If you're patient, I'm going to convert my vinyl (ST, MA & TLFBTE + Remix Culture, a rarity that contains Flood (Junior Vasquez remix)) to FLAC. It probably won't be this month, though, as I'm in the midst of a massive 35mm slide scanning project.

I'd love to have access to those FLAC files please.




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If you're patient, I'm going to convert my vinyl (ST, MA & TLFBTE + Remix Culture, a rarity that contains Flood (Junior Vasquez remix)) to FLAC. It probably won't be this month, though, as I'm in the midst of a massive 35mm slide scanning project.


I'll be patient... Thanks! This will be a great Birthday gift!
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Nothing like bumping an ancient thread. But, I am finally doing some vinyl work.

I'm not sure I'm going to break the seal on my Jars stuff, though. But the Junior Vazquez mix of Flood is going to happen.
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Looking forward to hearing this...even if it is just vinyl rips onto mp3.  I'm a bit of an audio geek myself, and have transferred a few lp's to mp3's, so I understand the sonic differences.

I have Much Afraid and ST on vinyl, but I didn't grab TLFBTE in time.  Shame on me.
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