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BrentwoodMusicRep

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I was part of the original field sales team that put Jars of Clay into the stores back in the 90's.  I was a field rep for Brentwood Music and covered PA and OH.  As a field rep, one of the original 1500 cds pressed by Jars of Clay before they signed with Brentwood was given to me.  The group had evidently given Brentwood some of their original cds when they signed with the label, and Brentwood passed it on to a select number of the sales and executive staff.  I just found it in my old stuff from those years.  It is still in the original shrink wrap, half tone black and white, etc.  At one time it was going on the internet for $1000.  Any offers?
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I'm not saying it never went for $1,000. But, I've never seen it. I've seen them go for $200-$250 before. I have a signed version by the original four members, and I would probably be lucky to get $200 for it today.
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I'm not saying it never went for $1,000. But, I've never seen it. I've seen them go for $200-$250 before. I have a signed version by the original four members, and I would probably be lucky to get $200 for it today.


Agreed and agreed...especially now that its available for download.
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I've never seen it go for more than $300-400. I paid $125 for mine. I think you'd be happy to get $200 for it.
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I think you'd be hard pressed to get $100 for it, unless it was an old school, die hard JOC fan that still wanted the CD...I have a copy already in my collection that was purchased via ebay years ago for $195.00...did you try any online sales outlets??
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I just discovered my beloved copy of Frail is one of the fakes. . . I'm in the market for a genuine copy now.
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That's not good! Your original story sounded very good, how did you end up with a fake copy?? I don't even think about buying a copy of Frail without seeing pictures first. Too many "Black Ring" copies out in the wild!
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I bought mine on ebay. . . 11 years ago now. I'm not sure I knew at the time that there was a phony pressing, and after I got it the only comparison photos I saw made it hard to tell that mine was a fake (I never saw the info about the "Christian CD" text in the ring, or I would have known). *sigh* Considering it was one of my most prized possessions, this is my new quest.
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I think originally we used to think the black ring variation might be the second pressing of 500, but Dan has firmly denied this. The first and second pressings are identical. Thanks to Stand_1998 we now have an amazing Frail authenticity guide. When I bought mine a year or two ago, I had it checked against the guide and it turned out to be original. Good luck finding one!
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I am not sure if mine is the real deal or not. The story behind mine was at my first JOC concert and first m&G that I attended, one of their long time fans/friends gave them a copy and asked them to sign it as he was selling it on the Bay and giving all the proceeds to BWM. Dan signed the date which was 3-19-04 and wrote "for Bloodwater" on the CD. It sold for $300 on the Bay and the $ went to BWM. About two or three months later, I saw a copy for sale on Ebay with pictures. The picture show the autographed CD cover with 3-19-04 date and "for Bloodwater". I knew it was the same CD. I called the person who had sold it originally as they had become friends of mine. He confirmed where (state) he had sold it and reiterated the date and BWM connection so I bought it instantly for $400. Is it the real deal? I could care less as it's totally about the sentimental value for me.    

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To check if yours is real, just follow the guide:
http://www.petrafiles.com/petraspective/disc-jarsofclay-frail.html

Thanks to Stand_1998 for buying tons of Frails and comparing them.


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I know where an authentic copy of Frail can be found, just let me know if you are interested.
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I think originally we used to think the black ring variation might be the second pressing of 500, but Dan has firmly denied this. The first and second pressings are identical. Thanks to Stand_1998 we now have an amazing Frail authenticity guide. When I bought mine a year or two ago, I had it checked against the guide and it turned out to be original. Good luck finding one!


... I also wanted to add that I personally feel that an unsigned copy is more rare than a signed copy.

Think about it, JOC held a release party where the first pressing was initially sold and I'm sure that everyone there would have bought a copy and got it signed. Getting the CD signed by an up-and-coming band who may become famous would make the signed copy worth millions [thumb]... that's what everyone would probably do.

Then as more copies were sold at local gigs, people would probably get the signature as well.

Finally, when JOC became popular with that 1 tune, what was that tune called that was in that rain movie... hmm... the name escapes me. If there were any Frail copies available at that time, then surely people would have bought it and tried to get it signed. By the latest Christian rock stars who have crossed over into the secular market.

On top of that, as copies have been sold and resold between fans and collectors, most people would probably bring their Frail CD to be signed at a concert as it is their most prized possession.

So out of the 1500 copies that were produced, a small percentage are likely destroyed, a small percentage are sitting in thrift stores (I know of someone who found a signed copy at a thrift store for $3), a large percentage are signed and prominently displayed in a collection, and a small percentage are stored in a music collection.

So I think that a sealed copy is the ultimate rarity, followed by an unsigned CD, followed by a signed CD with Matt Bronleewe, followed by a signed CD with Matt Odmark, followed by a poor condition CD, followed by the "black ring".

Thoughts?

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