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Coraso

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Jesus was clear when he said that the whole of the bible has to be interpreted through the two commandments to love God and thy neighbour. Why do so many Christians make exceptions for gay people?


For the most part, I don't think most Christians hate the actual person, but they do hate their sin and practices.

However, there are those people who do hate the person, and give all Christians a bad name. Most Christians who are mature in their faith however do not hate gays any more than the next sinner, because all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God

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Secondly the 'proof texts' so many use on the subject have to be read through exegesis and put into correct contextualisation. There is a good argument that both texts were not addressing general same sex monogomous (sp?) relationships but using sex as a form of worship to pagan gods.

God has clearly instituted marriage as something very holy and sacred between one man and one woman.  He made sex something beautiful for these two people to share and enjoy with each other.  Obviously the very nature of sex as it was originally intended works only with a male and female.  If God intended anything different, He would have created it to work between the same sex. Therefore the very nature of homosexuality goes against what God has instituted, and the very nature of His creation.  Homosexuality is plainly and blatantly non biblical.


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For the most part, I don't think most Christians hate the actual person, but they do hate their sin and practices.

However, there are those people who do hate the person, and give all Christians a bad name. Most Christians who are mature in their faith however do not hate gays any more than the next sinner, because all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God

I agree but I think that's in an ideal world.  At most churches, a homosexual relationship is probably a much bigger deal than a heterosexual relationship outside of wedlock.  Both are sins but I think we as Christians tend to hate one of those sins more than the other and probably also show less love to one group as well.  Christians by and large still have a very difficult time responding to homosexuality.  The whole "love the sinner, hate the sin" concept is fine in theory but I think that most Christians tend to emphasize hating the sin over loving the sinner.

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For the most part, I don't think most Christians hate the actual person, but they do hate their sin and practices.

However, there are those people who do hate the person, and give all Christians a bad name. Most Christians who are mature in their faith however do not hate gays any more than the next sinner, because all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God

I agree but I think that's in an ideal world.  At most churches, a homosexual relationship is probably a much bigger deal than a heterosexual relationship outside of wedlock.  Both are sins but I think we as Christians tend to hate one of those sins more than the other and probably also show less love to one group as well.  Christians by and large still have a very difficult time responding to homosexuality.  The whole "love the sinner, hate the sin" concept is fine in theory but I think that most Christians tend to emphasize hating the sin over loving the sinner.

I totally agree. I think it is one of the biggest, if not the main thing that the Christian should constantly be striving for, and that is to love everyone through the love of Christ.  In fact, I will say that it is impossible to truly love everyone just relying on your own strength.  We as human beings are not capable of producing true and genuine Godly love, so we must rely on the love of God being constantly poured into us, and use that same love that He has given us to in turn love the world.  That's why I say that the true mature Christian should no hate gays any more than they hate anyone else, but there are people, many people and perhaps the majority inside the church itself that need a wake up call and a heart change.  I think too many Christians get too caught up in the political debate trying to extinguish homosexuality, and in the process completely forget the true purpose of their cause, and their calling to love their neighbors.


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That's why I say that the true mature Christian should not hate gays any more than they hate anyone else,


   Sorry... that just struck me as hilarious!

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That's why I say that the true mature Christian should not hate gays any more than they hate anyone else,



   Sorry... that just struck me as hilarious!


...ok....

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