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MikeHarvat

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On Twitter this afternoon, I tweeted the following:

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@jarsofclayfans If @jarsofclay truly wanted “20” to feel like a trip down memory lane, it would have come with 700 free hours of AOL...


It got me thinking...let's compile a list of similar statements! Post your responses below by finishing the sentence:

If Jars of Clay really wanted "20" to be a trip down memory lane, they would have...

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I'll start!

...included a 20% off coupon for Stussy merchandise.

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They would have taken promo photos with long hair and piercings.
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Ha! That'd be great. How funny would it have been if they did all of their StageIt performances wearing the clothes from each era?

I guess Steve did wear his monster outfit for the last one...but it would have been great if they were all wearing oversized sweaters for ST, silk shirts for MA, etc.
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If Jars of Clay really wanted "20" to be a trip down memory lane, they would have...

...included an ad for AOL's "Christian Singles" chat room at the end of "Love Song For a Savior".

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It would've had an enhanced cd with a handful of thumbnail sized blocky videos of interviews of the band, a couple of songs, a link to the jars website, after installing quicktime and other things on there before you could use the cd.  Basically it would be like the Crazy Times ep that came out before the Much Afraid album.
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It would've had an enhanced cd with a handful of thumbnail sized blocky videos of interviews of the band, a couple of songs, a link to the jars website, after installing quicktime and other things on there before you could use the cd.  Basically it would be like the Crazy Times ep that came out before the Much Afraid album.


And after all that, Windows wouldn't be able to read the CD, so you'd have to download it from Napster just to listen to it on your computer.

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LOL I am guilty of downloading their songs from Limewire, but only the rare songs and the collaborations. Napster ended the time internet came in our town.
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LOL I am guilty of downloading their songs from Limewire, but only the rare songs and the collaborations. Napster ended the time internet came in our town.


Yeah, I was just trying to think of the sort of tech inconvenience that we would have had to work around in the late 90s/early 2000s.

I think I got The Eleventh Hour from Audiogalaxy and Good Monsters from Soulseek, both months before they were actually released. Of course I still bought them the day they came out.

Nowadays I just use Spotify to listen to new stuff that I don't own yet. But I'm still old school and buy the actual CD most of the time.

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There were early mixes of Revolution, Fly, and I think I Need You on Scour.net back in the day. I wish I still had them...

The only one I remember being drastically different was Revolution. It contained some "studio racket" and I think some additional loops from the Yakback (e.g. "Yeah yeah loo woo hoo..."). I believe Fly just had some very non-musical keyboard sounds before the song started properly.

This brings me back to my theory that an alternate version of IILTZ exists in the vault somewhere. I remember early reviews referring to transitions between songs with more "studio racket" like we hear at the end of Goodbye Goodnight. The "album version" of Unforgetful You from its single offers additional evidence...
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On the TEH pre-release, "Revolution" had a weird little piano intro that sort of served as the other "bookend" to the echoing piano chords that can be heard as the song fades out. (I still have this version on one of my old mix CDs.) For anyone out there who remembers PfR, the effect was sort of like the random banjo bit at the beginning of "Walk Away From Love" that had squat to do with the rest of the song. Once the drums kick in, it's the same as the final album version, as far as I can tell. I don't remember any other songs being different except for really minor things, like "The Edge of Water" fading in instead of starting with the organ at full volume.

I did hear a radio mix of "Fly" once that gave it a more conventional intro before the drums kicked in, but I remember nothing "non-musical" about it (because Christian radio would avoid that like the plague and probably just cut that part out of the radio edit). 

IILTZ did have a lot of bits of studio chatter here and there; it may be a hint at some other alternate takes of songs that didn't survive, but for the most part I thought they were throwing that stuff in on purpose to give it a bit of "latter-day Beatles" flavor. "I think I dropped my pick" at the end of "Goodbye, Goodnight" still cracks me up, but I have no idea who said it, or what preceded the clipped "Totally" at the beginning of the song. If alternate takes of some of those songs exist, I'm willing to bet they had more guitar solos and things - I remember hearing that Steve was super-frustrated while making that record, and even in the StageIt this year, he alluded to not being able to play guitar on the record. I'm guessing Dennis Herring was really big on making things sound "quirky" and intentionally leaving blank spaces in there to sort of reveal the seams of the recording process, and he wasn't so big on guitar riffs or solos. The White Elephant Sessions version of "Can't Erase It" does have a guitar solo that, somewhat ironically, got erased in the final album version.

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Oh man, this is the stuff that gets me going.  I would so much want to hear alt mixes, etc., of IILTZ and TEH.  Demos of TEH would be even better.  I always felt like it was a good album that lost something because of all of the gloss on it.

I remember someone - might have been Mike - saying something about an early version of Unforgetful You being used as a promo at listening booths at festivals.  Can't remember what made it distinct, though.

murlough, I believe I have the version of "Fly" you're talking about from one of the radio singles (there were multiple for "Fly").  It has a 2-bar guitar solo at the beginning that gradually fades out as the intro we're more familiar with kicks in.  The solo is the same as Charlie plays on the live version of it Furthermore.  The drums are sharper, more raw - not as post-processed.  An acoustic guitar is present and there a few piano parts interspersed.  Dan's vocals are also slightly different - I honestly can't tell if it's a different take or if it's also just not as heavily post-processed. The bridge also has Dan and Steve singing "hold on, hold on" before "shed your heart..." and then when Dan hits the big "fly" at the end of the bridge, the final rounds of the chorus have already started under it.  The drums actually fade out while everything continues in the final chorus.  It's a VERY interesting mix and I'd love to know if it was really made as a radio single after the album was finished or if it's actually an earlier mix that they just thought was more suited for radio.  If Mike thinks an alt version of IILTZ exists, this mix makes the case that the same could be true of TEH.
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I didn't even realize that the mixes were different on the pre-release! Looks like I need to pull mine out and listen for the changes...
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Wait, I just realized I have a copy of the TEH pre-release, but the mixes on it are the final mixes.  Definitely no "Revolution" piano part before it starts.  I didn't dig the physical copy out but as far as I know it's this: http://www.trodland.com/petraspective/disc-jarsofclay-promo.html#jarsofclay-promo-teh-prerelease.  Do you have something different?
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