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forn03

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Hi all! Been gone for a while and hope to be a lot more active.  Always plenty of Jars stuff to discuss, so let's do it!

Over 20 years these guys have accumulated a LOT of songs and a lot of fantastic albums, but one thing that Jars has yet to do (IMO) is an album with a clear theme that ties throughout the entire album.  Good Monsters has some good thematic stuff, but it covers living in community, dealing with personal brokenness/apathy, the afterlife, personal relationships, etc.  Lots of good stuff, but not one direct thread.  Most of their albums cover multiple ideas and themes.  Additionally there are some albums that sometimes to me seem like they could nearly be 2 separate albums that stand on their own (think TLFBTE and see below).

So here's your challenge: build the strongest Jars album you can based on either
1. a theme
or
2. a certain sound

The goal is to help highlight songs that might be overlooked because they're tucked into an album that they're a weaker song on or otherwise get lost in (again, thinking of TLFBTE, I actually really like There Might Be a Light, but it's on the back half of a long album and gets a bad rap being that it's somewhat of a black sheep on the album).

Here are some examples to help see the idea (these are truly off the top of my head... I'll give a better submission later):

EXAMPLE 1 - THEME (Reconciliation of Personal Relationships)
After the Fight
Weapons
Safe to Land
Forgive Me
Love in Hard Times
Water Under the Bridge

EXAMPLE 2 - SOUND
TLFBTE 1 (electronic)
The Long Fall
Weapons
Heaven
Don't Stop
Heart

TLFBTE 2 (more acoustic-driven)
There Might Be a Light
Safe to Land
Headphones
Scenic Route
Forgive Me

This isn't a create-your-favorite-album or create-a-"hits"-album (those would actually be harder, I think!).

Ok, ready?  Go. (PS sorry for the wall of text)
murlough23

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My mix is called "JARS OF CLAY SONGS THE YOUTH GROUP LIKES".

1. Liquid
2. Sinking
3. Love Song for a Savior
4. Like a Child
5. Art in Me
6. He
7. Boy on a String
8. Flood
9. Worlds Apart
10. Blind
11. Four Seven

That's all I could think of.

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forn03

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Boooo your youth group.

Although it's interesting they're still ok with the production circa 1995.
datraceman

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I call this: The "Deep Cuts Album: Songs only Known and Loved by the Jars Nerds"

1) Weighed Down
2) Sad Clown
3) Silence
4) Whatever She Wants
5) Liquid (from Furthermore: From the Studio)
6) Sing
7) All My Tears
8) Headphones
9) Lay it Down
10) Pennsylvania
11) Fly Farther
12) The Widowing Field
forn03

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The Songs That Sound the Same Album:
Side A
1. Weighed Down
2. 4:7
Side B
3. Ain't No Sunshine (Bill Withers cover)
4. Bethlehem Town
MikeHarvat

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Hahahahaha Ain't No Sunshine / Bethlehem Town

It's surprising they even got away with that
murlough23

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OK, seriously this time:

HE DECIDES B-SIDES ASIDE THE SEASIDE: A COLLECTION OF NOTABLE NON-ALBUM TRACKS FROM THE JARS OF CLAY DISCOGRAPHY

  1. Flood (Savage Flavor Remix)
  2. Rose Colored Stained Glass Windows
  3. The Coffee Song
  4. Needful Hands
  5. Everything in Between
  6. Fly Farther
  7. This Road
  8. The Valley Song (Sing of Your Mercy)
  9. Tonight
  10. Love Me
  11. Love Is the Protest
  12. Loneliness & Alcohol (JT Daly Remix)
  13. Little Drummer Boy (Original Version)
I probably forgot some really good ones, so feel free to make suggestions.

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DISCLAIMER: The preceding post was a statement of opinion, and does not reflect the views of the members of Jars of Clay, the moderators of Jarchives, or any member of the Holy Trinity. In fact, it is only my opinion that this is my opinion. In my opinion, you may choose to believe that my opinion is fact, if in fact you are of the opinion that you are allowed to choose what you believe, which presupposes the opinion that you do in fact exist in the first place - in my humble opinion, of course. It is my opinion that all of my opinions are humble opinions, but this does not indicate a bias on my part against opinions which are, in my opinion, proud opinions.
forn03

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I think The Widowing Field is a really underrated song.

Otherwise I like Shipwrecked, Headstrong, Save My Soul, and Body and Wine as far as B-sides go that weren't on your list, but would say they aren't as "notable" as the rest.
murlough23

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Originally Posted by forn03
I think The Widowing Field is a really underrated song.

Otherwise I like Shipwrecked, Headstrong, Save My Soul, and Body and Wine as far as B-sides go that weren't on your list, but would say they aren't as "notable" as the rest.


By "notabke", I really just meant my personal favorites. I like all the songs you mentioned, but not as much as the ones I picked. However, I still have the nagging feeling I might be missing a few that I really liked at the time.

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DISCLAIMER: The preceding post was a statement of opinion, and does not reflect the views of the members of Jars of Clay, the moderators of Jarchives, or any member of the Holy Trinity. In fact, it is only my opinion that this is my opinion. In my opinion, you may choose to believe that my opinion is fact, if in fact you are of the opinion that you are allowed to choose what you believe, which presupposes the opinion that you do in fact exist in the first place - in my humble opinion, of course. It is my opinion that all of my opinions are humble opinions, but this does not indicate a bias on my part against opinions which are, in my opinion, proud opinions.
forn03

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So I never have a better answer to this thread but I think I found one anyway.

I've realized over the past month or so that Much Afraid is actually a really strong thematic album, it's just not an easily accessible theme. "Overjoyed" established the need for a relationship with God and the value God sees in you, then "Fade to Grey" starts to descend info the brooding, questioning aspect, and "Tea and Sympathy" really starts off the depression arc that continues the whole way through "Truce" before "Much Afraid" re-establishes that God won't let us go and "Hymn" goes beyond establishing it to pleading for it. But even more than that, the b-sides from that era help to show an even larger picture, with both "Blame" and "Grace" delving into the depression aspect. "No One Loves Me Like You" could have been part of that closing arc as well if it hadn't been cut. Even more surprising to me is how "Five Candles" ended up fitting on the album so well despite being written for a different project (and I assume maybe being included since it was more upbeat?). I always thought it felt a bit out of place, but only because everything around it changes the tone of the song from what the lyrics want you to believe to being almost more of a sarcastic shot at the person (in the original context of the movie, a parent) for being there when absolutely needed, but not otherwise. Which, to me at least, fits into the concept of the depression aspect - the person is only there out of necessity ad obligation, not because they actually WANT to be there. I always thought Dan's vocals felt a bit subdued or hesitant on the track as well, which played into that feeling about the song, I guess.

Anyway, that's my long way of saying that I now believe I'm wrong about the story/concept album not existing in the catalogue. It's just not a story you'll necessarily find unless you've read Dan's blog and know some of the backstory behind the songs and album.
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