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I love the new Caedmon's Call album, Raising Up The Dead.  Anyone else buy it??  Thoughts??


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Didn't know they had a new one out!

I wonder if it has made its way to the UK?

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Didn't know they had a new one out!

I wonder if it has made its way to the UK?


Album is ONLY being sold via Caedmon's Call website.  Actual release date is 9/14??  Yet, you can get an immediate digital download now.



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I used to think quite highly of CC, but Share the Well was so brilliant it made everything else, past and present, pale in comparison for me. I haven't liked anything they've done since in particular.

I downloaded the two free songs they had through the site, which were ok. Certainly didn't sell me on the album though.
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I've only listened to it a few times, but my feeling is that it's one of their more artistically respectable albums and yet not one of their more interesting ones to listen to.

I like that they kept the songwriting in-house and that, for the first time, the Youngs are handling a lot of that songwriting. We've never really gotten to hear their own thoughts before, except on the odd song like "Piece of Glass". I also like how the vocal duties are divided up here - Danielle practically comes across as the bandleader, and it's a treat to hear Cliff and Derek actually sharing a song for a change. (When's the last time that happened since "Not Enough"?)

My biggest problem is that the album's so down-tempo. I like some of the unique arrangements and melodies, but they really need a few strong folk/rockers to balance out the album. Even Share the Well, which was mostly acoustic, had its percussions throwdowns to liven things up. A song like "Standing Up for Nothing" on their self-titled album stands out because it's balanced by more upbeat fare like "Bus Driver" and "Hope to Carry On" - they pull back for a quieter moment and you listen more intently, as opposed to the track after track of quirky ballads in 6/8 time on this disc.

Also, I miss Andy Osenga.

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I wish they had the cd option for people that are already guild members. It's a bummer to have to purchase another membership in order to receive the cd. Since this is the case,I will probably skip the entire album all together.
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Personally, I never liked the inclusion of Andy Osenga, especially on lead vocals (not his strong suit, I think). I may check the rest of the album out though...
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Personally, I never liked the inclusion of Andy Osenga, especially on lead vocals (not his strong suit, I think). I may check the rest of the album out though...

His voice took some getting used to - I was a fan of The Normals, so I got over it much earlier.

I think he wrote some really good songs for Overdressed, though. "Expectations" and "Holding the Light" were my two favorites on that album.

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I guess to be fair, I quite like him as a songwriter and backing vocalist - he compliments Danielle Young very nicely, I think. I've checked out a lot of The Normals stuff as well, it's really just his voice on lead that I can't stand, and having a lead with a distinct voice (like Dan's) is important to me. I didn't like Derek Webb on lead for a long time either. It was only when he went solo that I started to appreciate him as a vocalist.
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I guess to be fair, I quite like him as a songwriter and backing vocalist - he compliments Danielle Young very nicely, I think.

"Wings of the Morning" is probably the best example of this.

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I've checked out a lot of The Normals stuff as well, it's really just his voice on lead that I can't stand, and having a lead with a distinct voice (like Dan's) is important to me.

Yeah. There are some moments where he really strains himself pushing the limits of how high or how loud he can go. He probably comes from the school of thought that expressing the passion/emotion is more desirable than a pristine vocal performance. It took me a long time to fully "get" The Normals due to this and due to production values that I considered muddy at the time. But by the time Andy started hanging out with Caedmon's, it was normal to me.

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I didn't like Derek Webb on lead for a long time either. It was only when he went solo that I started to appreciate him as a vocalist.

Derek struck me as sufficiently muddy at first. I grew to appreciate his voice enough that I didn't think twice about it by the time 40 Acres came out. The guy can really wail when the song calls for it. But he also has a lot of songs (mostly his solo work) where he plays it pretty raw. "The Proverbial Gun" is a good example, as is the vast majority of I See Things Upside Down.

I thought Dan Haseltine had a rather weird, muddy voice the first time I heard "Liquid", now that I think of it. His vocals have definitely improved since the early days, though there have been moments where he's played up the raw/throaty approach, too. I like it when vocalists are willing to explore their full range of tricks, though.

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I didn't really get into Webb as a vocalist until Mockingbird came out, then I caught myself up on the first two solo albums. I think I'd become quite jaded by songs like 'Bus Driver' and 'Thankful', which I found very un-Caedmon's like (to me, CC is songs like 'Lead of Love' and 'Hands of the Potter').

I still find I have to be in the right mood for She Must and Shall Go Free. A lot of that is the same gimmicky kind of stuff like 'Thankful'. I guess I just don't like lighthearted music, because I can still remember when I first heard 'A New Law' and was completely blown away by this side of Derek Webb I never knew existed.
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I don't mind "gimmicks", as you call them, when they support the mood of the song or the idea that it is trying to communicate. "Bus Driver", for example, is about something whimsical, but it also has a serious point underneath it - that the world would not be the same without that one person in it. "Thankful" has a celebratory message to it, which seems ironic since it's about realizing one's own depravity, but then Derek is glad that he doesn't have to muster up good on his own without God's help. I'd say that's a message worthy of banging on some trashcans.

I like a lot of Derek's solo stuff, but sometimes (especially on Mockingbird), he seems so determined that the music shouldn't detract from the lyrics, that the music becomes quite dull. I was glad when he took the opposite approach on Stockholm Syndrome. Music with a good message deserves to be attention-grabbing music. That's not gimmicky; it's just good art.

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I don't doubt that 'Bus Driver' or 'Thankful' have meaningful lyrics. It's just me being willfully blind to them because I couldn't stand the music itself. I knew 'gimmicky' wasn't strictly the right word when I posted, but it sums up my immediate reaction to both those songs.

I think I liked Mockingbird for exactly the reason you state - the music and lyrics were married perfectly. It was a very stripped back album compared to previous material, but again that's a personal preference of mine as well.

I liked bits and pieces off Stockholm Syndrome. Coming from an electronic background myself, I often find it difficult to listen to traditionally 'rock' based musicians take on a purely (or mostly pure) electronic sound, because 9 times out of 10 they just don't get it. SS did it better than most, but not quite for me.

Attention-grabbing music doesn't have to equal 'banging on some trashcans', regardless of how good the message is. 'A New Law' grabbed my attention because it was so stripped down and held very tightly to its rhythmic core.
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"A New Law" is a solid song. My favorite on Mockingbird. I could do without "Do not be afraid" ten hundred times at the end, but other than that, golden. I also really like "Rich Young Ruler". Very rich acoustic melody there. Most of the rest of the album, I could take or leave.
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"A New Law" is a solid song. My favorite on Mockingbird. I could do without "Do not be afraid" ten hundred times at the end, but other than that, golden. I also really like "Rich Young Ruler". Very rich acoustic melody there. Most of the rest of the album, I could take or leave.


" A new law" was prob. My fav from the album too. I just think the lyrics are genius. Everytime I listen to the song I get something new from it. So deep and so true.
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Coming back to Andrew Osenga... his album "The Morning" is quite good and worth checking out.  I saw him perform live and really liked what I heard and bought the album after the show.  He is a thoughtful singer/songwriter.

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"A New Law" is a solid song. My favorite on Mockingbird. I could do without "Do not be afraid" ten hundred times at the end, but other than that, golden. I also really like "Rich Young Ruler". Very rich acoustic melody there. Most of the rest of the album, I could take or leave.


Stockholm Syndrome is the Derek Webb album that made me a fan of his music.  Since then I have bought all his solo albums. 

Funny, but when Mockingbird first came out, I did not like it.  Yet, now I love the album.  'A New Law' is a favorite of mine, as well, yet I love the repetitive ending.

Sorry to digress from the original topic, but since I started this thread, I think I am entitled, but I won't let it happen again. 

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