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Sorry if there's a more appropriate thread for this but I didn't see one.

I just realized I had the download code in my inbox and, despite me needing to get to sleep, I had to download it and sample it (against my better judgement).

Overall it sounds like they've done some interesting renditions. Trouble Is sounds great. I can't wait to get into work tomorrow and listen all the way through. And I really can't wait for the vinyl to arrive.

I've been a little preoccupied with work lately and, although I voted on these tracks, I didn't really pay attention to the winners. Some of the choices are a bit surprising for a fan collection but I guess that keeps it interesting. And I just realized - no Flood? I'm relieved but also a little surprised.

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I just did the download and gotta say I love the Fade To Grey track...I'm still early in my listening so will post more later....this is very cool to anticipate what the guys have done to some of the songs.
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I'm about half way through the album.

Overall I really like what I hear, but "God Will Lift Up Your Head" left a sour taste in my ears.

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Downloading now, along with the WWAI download.  Looking forward to the 20 vinyl.
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Still making my way through it, but I'm REALLY impressed so far.

I expected a re-done greatest hits album to be pretty cool, but this is great. Really, really great.
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Really liked the version of Collide too...I'm only up to Jealous Kind and so for it's kinda just MEH on that song...overall though liking it all.
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Anyone know who did the string arrangements for this? Because they are great.

Also - '20' is a totally acceptable title, but 'Cupcake' may be better. [wink] Thoughts?
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Just finished the whole album and holy cow I'm loving this album. 

Even though people will probably complain about "God Will Lift Up Your Head" I get why they did this arrangement. If they did it like the Redemption Songs version, they would basically sound alike and the vibe I got from this project is they wanted to do different things. 

I think every song is very good and about 5 are great. 

This album will sound great on my vinyl when it shows up this fall.
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I downloaded the record late last night and did a quick 5-second preview of each song before going to bed...now I'm at work listening through it in full.

So far I'm on Silence and I'm loving it. I've always been a fan of their string arrangements, so this is like ear candy to me.

Last night I was surprised that Collide was one of the IILTZ tracks that made it - it'll be interesting to hear how they pull that one off. After hearing you guys' reactions to GWLUYH, I'm curious...the intro was definitely different!

Anyway, I'm about to post this on the blog, but we're going to be asking for short reviews from fans to share on release day. When you've had a chance to digest the album, send us a 3-5 sentence review at jarsofclayfans [at] gmail {dotcom} and we'll put it on the front page!
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Ahhhhhh hahahaha! I'm listening to God Will Lift Up Your Head right now and I can honestly say that I did NOT see that coming. I love it!

I'm with datraceman on this one...if you don't like this version there's always Redemption Songs. I bet this one was one of the more fun songs for them to record!

I wonder if the original arrangement of this song influenced their decision to record it this way. Didn't they say that the song started out much differently at the StageIt last week?
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middle 10 songs of the record are just straight up lovely. ghost in the moon is (no pun) haunting. 
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I am still in the process of listening. I've jumped around quite a bit and just switched to 'GWLUYH' and my immediate reaction is that it sounds like the music style I would expect in an underwater level on Super Mario.
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The new version of Trouble Is is sick! 
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I am still in the process of listening. I've jumped around quite a bit and just switched to 'GWLUYH' and my immediate reaction is that it sounds like the music style I would expect in an underwater level on Super Mario.


Haha! I'll have to listen again with that in mind. The left turn they make for the chorus reminds me of the bridge to Human Race more than anything.
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I just finished this masterpiece, wow. Wonderful job [love]

I loved almost all of the song updates, but what stood out the most to me was the sound quality. I used high-quality IEM's and wow, fantastic sound. From the deep pounding of Inland to Dan's isolated voice during Oh My God... just top notch.

PS. If You Love Her was very sweet.

PPS. Was there irony in the last track?? Save the controversial song for last - cough, cough - Christian Mingle [wink] ... the tune was great, but will be forever associated with an interesting business decision.

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I downloaded it and listened to it all the way through as soon as I could last night. It came into my inbox just as I was feeling in the doldrums about a lack of new music that I was really excited about. Revisiting the history of a band I've listened to for literally half my life was an absolute treat, and I can't stress enough that the warm fuzzy feeling this project gave me is vastly more meaningful than any of the criticisms I'm about to explain below.

I'll add my name to the list of those who didn't like the new version of "God Will Lift Up Your Head". Yes, I know we all have the album versions of all of these songs. But if I'd known they would do this with this particular song, I wouldn't have voted for it and would have instead picked another song from RS that I thought deserved a little more exposure.

In general, I'm not a fan of taking something that was once up-tempo and slowing it down. (Or of speeding up slower songs to the point where the drama is lost.) Changing tempos drastically mid-song, especially within an established fan favorite track, is going to be risky. If it were a brand new song that I hadn't heard any version of before, I think I'd be more open-minded, though it would still have to grow on me.

I had thought that their intent with this one was mostly to keep the structure of these beloved songs the same and just redo them in more of an intimate/acoustic setting, like the StageIt shows but with the benefit of a string section and not having to do it all in a single take. I figured there'd be a few surprises along the way, and I'd say most of them were good surprises - like "Trouble Is" being more electric than its original Americana-influenced style or "Silence" being acoustic. (That's a song I've always considered a favorite, and I've had to talk people into listening closer to it when they're initially put off by its production style, so maybe this version will help.) I do remember them making a comment about "God Will Lift Up Your Head" during the StageIt - something about doing it slower in 6/8 and being talked out of it by the record label... I hate to say it, but in this rare case, I'm gonna have to side with the label. If they'd done the entire song that way, it might have made more sense, I guess.

I like the two new songs, though as with all new Jars songs, it'll take several listens to pick out everything that is going on and figure out whether I just "like" them or love them. I kind of feel like those should have been at the end.

In general, I'm confused by the track order on this thing. I know some folks think it's boring to do a retrospective compilation like this in pure chronological order. But we voted on the songs in that order and they've been revisiting them in that order in the StageIts. I don't see how this "sort of chronological" order helps the songs to flow any better. Starting with "Fade to Grey" makes total sense because that's the first song they wrote together. But "Worlds Apart" is way too intense to be the second track on any album (which would have happened if it were "strictly chronological" anyway, but since it's not, the decision is puzzling). Probably no one but me cares about this - I'm extremely picky when it comes to how an album "flows" from start to end, and such complaints often make no sense when you're talking about a compilation of songs not originally intended to segue from one into the next.

I'm listening to it all now in the order that the songs were originally released. Starting with the slowed-down "Love Song" is a bit weird, but overall it's less - forgive me for using this word - jarring.

Just for funsies - how many of you folks' choices actually made the final cut? Here's what I remember voting for. In a lot of cases, the tracks than ended up winning would have been my #3 and/or 4, so I really can't complain because they're still amazing songs.
  1. Like a Child - NO
  2. Worlds Apart - YES (Well, duh.)
  3. Portrait of an Apology - NO
  4. Overjoyed - NO
  5. Sad Clown - NO
  6. Collide - YES
  7. Silence - YES
  8. Revolution - NO
  9. Lesser Things - NO
  10. Trouble Is - YES
  11. Thou Lovely Source of True Delight - NO (And they skipped it during the StageIt. [frown])
  12. God Will Lift Up Your Head - YES (Unfortunately.)
  13. All My Tears - NO
  14. Light Gives Heat - NO
  15. Safe to Land - YES
  16. Scenic Route - NO
  17. Love in Hard Times - YES
  18. Loneliness & Alcohol - NO
(If there had been a vote for The Shelter, I'd have picked "Love Will Find Us" and "Eyes Wide Open".)

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Maybe I am weird but GWLUYH gave me three different visuals from old movies. It starts in a frantic pace almost like a scene from Keystone Cops running around. Then switches to an over exaggerated slow-mo pace with people taking high stepping slow steps. Then switches into a light musical at the end.

I was really startled by the opening but was loving it until the jarring (no pun intended) change into the slow mo. We'll see if it grows on me.

Otherwise I am in love with the album and the this take of "Trouble Is" gives me goosebumps. Oh My God has always given me goosebumps and still does.

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I was really startled by the opening but was loving it until the jarring (no pun intended) change into the slow mo. We'll see if it grows on me.


It's alarmingly easy to accidentally make that pun, isn't it? I typed it without thinking and then I was like, "I see what I did there".

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I'm kind of with David on the tracklisting, so I made this mix for myself to listen to during work today... [smile]

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I should add that I really wish there was an acoustic version of "Liquid" with the rhythm and tempo of the original.
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Agreed. I like how they ended shows with an acoustic version of it as the first song of their encore a while back.
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As I listen to "Ghost in the Moon" more, I realize that I'm getting a bit of a "Love Is Blindness" vibe from it. Not at all a bad thing - that's one of my very favorite U2 songs.

"If You Love Her" is solid as well. I have no idea whether the two new songs were a way of clearing out the vault or whether they hint at a future direction for the band... but I love them either way.

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My biggest frustration with Jars20 is that it is only 20 songs. They did such a great job I wish they had done 20 more. The 3rd and 4th most popular choices. (Yes, I'm greedy). Then maybe most of my picks would have made the cut. [smile]
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I figure it's hard to complain about 20 songs when the normal length of an album is 10-12.
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I agree on both sentiments - it's hard to complain about 20 tracks but I was thinking the same thing. I love these treatments so I would have loved to hear additional songs (Sad Clown, Work, Truce, Art in Me, Scenic Route, Heart, Revolution, and Faith Enough were among my non-selected picks).

Trouble Is is still the standout track for me. It's got such a great energy to it - more than the original even. I hadn't heard the WWAI Stage-it until after I heard this the Steve mentions that they may have outdone the original and I think they did.

I really like Jealous Kind after it picks up and it's great to hear guest vocalists included.

I too was wondering whether Ghost in the Moon and If You Love Her were signs of new directions. I wondered the same thing with Tonight and Shipwrecked but I don't think they signaled any new direction really. We'll see here.


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I agree on both sentiments - it's hard to complain about 20 tracks but I was thinking the same thing. I love these treatments so I would have loved to hear additional songs (Sad Clown, Work, Truce, Art in Me, Scenic Route, Heart, Revolution, and Faith Enough were among my non-selected picks).


Man, I would love to hear them perform Scenic Route in just about any setting. That seems to be one of the most forgotten songs (by the band, at least) from a relatively recent album.

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I really like Jealous Kind after it picks up and it's great to hear guest vocalists included.


Getting the original vocalists to reprise their roles on both that song and Worlds Apart was a treat. I can only imagine they'd have done the same if any of the tracks that had guests on Redemption Songs had made the cut (or Katie Herzig if Headphones had).

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I too was wondering whether Ghost in the Moon and If You Love Her were signs of new directions. I wondered the same thing with Tonight and Shipwrecked but I don't think they signaled any new direction really. We'll see here.


I figured Tonight and Shipwrecked were outtakes from the WWAI sessions, so same general sound as that album. Ghost may or have been a leftover that didn't fit in on Inland (I thought I heard one of the guys mention this during one of the pledge updates?), but I don't know about If You Love her.

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Both If You Love Her and Ghost In The Moon were Inland leftovers. At the Inland release Q&A they even played a snippet of an early recording of If You Love Her, saying that they would find a way to release all the leftover songs of Inland. I think they made about 30 songs and cut back to 12 for the album or they had 30 extra songs. Hopefully we'll see more of those show up.

I still think this Jars 20 year should also see the release of a Jarlandia B-sides project and a Jarchive DVD with all their official music videos plus a bunch of other videos. But that's probably not going to happen...

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I would love a B-sides project. They wouldn't even need to record anything for it - just throw together whatever's in the vault and let us download it online (either via iTunes or a pay-what-you-want model or for free if they're feeling generous and/or unsure of the quality of the material).
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A b-sides project is long overdue. White Elephant Sessions came out FOURTEEN years ago.

Even then, apparently b-sides were left off of THAT project. I remember hearing that originally there were more remixes for it (River Constantine and one other), and also...

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Even then, apparently b-sides were left off of THAT project.


Would that make them C-sides?

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So far so good here, I'm enjoying the ever lovin' out of it.  I'm like a bunch of you though there are a couple of songs that I would love to hear reworked or snuck onto a set list.

I'm lookin' at you "Truce".  We haven't heard you outside of Much Afraid or Stringtown, to the best of my knowledge.

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I'm lookin' at you "Truce".  We haven't heard you outside of Much Afraid or Stringtown, to the best of my knowledge.


I still really like that one. I was bummed that they skipped it during the StageIt, but that would have been true for pretty much any song on MA.

I only just got the Rod Stewart reference in the Stringtown version of that song earlier this year.

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I still really like that one. I was bummed that they skipped it during the StageIt, but that would have been true for pretty much any song on MA.

I only just got the Rod Stewart reference in the Stringtown version of that song earlier this year.


Ha, nice! The only reason I knew about the Rod Stewart nod was because of the controversy surrounding it...some of the more conservative types were up in arms.
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I still really like that one. I was bummed that they skipped it during the StageIt, but that would have been true for pretty much any song on MA.


Indeed.  Truce is my favorite Jars tune.  I've been trying to think of ways to talk the guys into playing it at the State College show in October.

In fact, those two albums are probably my favorite Jars albums.  Not for any other reason than I've listened to them countless times since '97/'98.

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The bass work in that version is off the charts.


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I'm really digging 20.  Very impressed and I appreciate the surprises.  It's easy to come with certain expectations such as what songs are on the final album, song order, re-inventedness (?), but I am very happy with the music and thoroughly enjoy the sound quality, layers of acoustic, sonic goodness, etc.  Awesome.  Looking forward to the physical copy coming in the mail.  Well worth the pledge.  Thanks Jars!
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Listening through things again at work this afternoon...it's really surprising when you consider which songs that DIDN'T make it on this record.

Here are the singles that were left off:
Flood
Liquid
Like a Child
Crazy Times
Five Candles
Overjoyed
Truce
Everything In Between
Unforgetful You
I'm Alright
This Road
Hand
Can't Erase It
I Need You
Fly
Revolution
Whatever She Wants (NO singles from TEH made the cut)
The Valley Song
Show You Love
Sunny Days (Same goes for WWAI)
Waiting for the World to Fall
I'll Fly Away
Work
There Is A River
Love Is the Protest
Closer
Two Hands
Heaven (There goes TLFBTE)
After the Fight

If a record label were in charge of this release, the end result would have been much different. This truly is a record for the fans.

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Seriously, there was controversy about them quoting a non-lyrical passage from a "secular" song? Did this come from the same people who complained that dc Talk was evil because they covered a song by a band with the word "Doobie" in their name? (I wonder if some of those super-fundamentalist, all Christian rock is evil, old-school KJV only websites are still active. They sure were good for a laugh back in the day when the web design was poor even by early late 90's standards.)

I've generally, though not always, thought that the singles chosen by the record label weren't really representative of the heart and soul of their albums. From later records especially, I felt like they just went with whatever was upbeat, not too emotionally heavy, and if possible, had kind of a "worshippy" chorus - I Need You, There Is a River, Two Hands, etc. I don't dislike any of those songs, per se. But I'm thrilled to see "deep album cuts" taking precedence in several cases, even if it does make 20 a bit on the sleepy side due to some of their stronger pop/rock-oriented material not making the cut.

Worlds Apart is interesting in the "single vs. fan favorite" sense; it's bound to win any fan vote by a landslide, and it gets a strong emotional response even from folks who aren't otherwise huge on the band, so it sort of gets "hit single emeritus" status even though it was never officially released as a single.

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People were a little more territorial about Christian music back in the 90's...fraternizing with the "other side" of the music industry was seen as selling out or compromising or whatever. I don't think anyone would care today.

Then again, if someone like Tobymac gave a musical nod to the same song, I bet people would be upset.

Also, Worlds Apart was totally released as a single, but only to the Christian market.

Lastly, here's my updated Jars acoustic playlist!

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People were a little more territorial about Christian music back in the 90's...fraternizing with the "other side" of the music industry was seen as selling out or compromising or whatever. I don't think anyone would care today.


No matter how open-minded we as a whole community may get, you'd be surprised how many stubborn holdouts there still are. Fortunately, these people no longer seem to run the CCM industry (whose main problem nowadays may actually be that it operates way too much like the mainstream music industry - concern for the bottom line over all else included).

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Then again, if someone like Tobymac gave a musical nod to the same song, I bet people would be upset.


Shoot, I think half the reason TobyMac goes over so well with most audiences is because he knows how to quote mainstream music up the wazoo in order to get people excited at something they actually recognize. The few times I saw him live, this was so distracting that I felt like his own songs were only being performed in fits and starts between the cavalcade of pop culture party music references.

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Also, Worlds Apart was totally released as a single, but only to the Christian market.


Weren't most of their singles only released to the Christian market? I thought for some reason that Worlds Apart had successed on more grassroots terms; maybe it became a single after radio stations just started playing it anyway (that was at the tail end of the good old days when radio stations could actually do that without being owned by corporate playlists).

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Listening to 20 again.  I really like the new songs in the middle.  It is almost like an intermission from the regular program.  This could be a concert set list for a show.  Simply fantastic album.  So many other songs that could have been on an album like this too.  20 is a real treat.
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Shoot, I think half the reason TobyMac goes over so well with most audiences is because he knows how to quote mainstream music up the wazoo in order to get people excited at something they actually recognize. The few times I saw him live, this was so distracting that I felt like his own songs were only being performed in fits and starts between the cavalcade of pop culture party music references.


Hmmmm....well I guess I'm wrong, haha! I've never seen a TobyMac show. I still think that if he was referencing a song that was pretty explicit in its overall theme or lyrics, people would talk.

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Weren't most of their singles only released to the Christian market? I thought for some reason that Worlds Apart had successed on more grassroots terms; maybe it became a single after radio stations just started playing it anyway (that was at the tail end of the good old days when radio stations could actually do that without being owned by corporate playlists).


Up to a certain point I think they were doing targeted singles...for instance, No One Loves Me Like You was specifically pushed to Christian radio while Unforgetful You was for the general market.

Are "we" considering Reckless Forgiver a single? It did get its own mini-album on iTunes...

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I really like the new songs in the middle.  It is almost like an intermission from the regular program. 


Agreed! I think they'll work well in the context of the double disc as well. Jesus Freak Hideout's preview shows the break:

Disc One:
Fade To Grey (3:27)
Worlds Apart (5:27)
Tea and Sympathy (4:48)
Silence (5:10)
No One Loves Me Like You (4:35)
Collide (4:15)
Jealous Kind (4:30)
God Will Lift Up Your Head (5:17)
Ghost In The Moon (4:33)
If You Love Her (4:04)

Disc Two:
Trouble Is (3:48)
Something Beautiful (3:54)
I Need Thee Every Hour (3:12)
Boys (4:19)
Dead Man (3:04)
Oh My God (6:07)
Safe To Land (4:14)
Inland (4:18)
Love In Hard Times (3:58)
Love Song for a Savior (5:51)
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Hmmmm....well I guess I'm wrong, haha! I've never seen a TobyMac show. I still think that if he was referencing a song that was pretty explicit in its overall theme or lyrics, people would talk.


This reminds me, I still giggle at Bob Carlisle's attempt to quote James Brown in the bridge of a song: "Get up! (Get on up!) Stay on the scene! ...You know what I mean!"

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Anyone who bought the album yesterday care to chime in??? [smile]

I dig the packaging; it was only $12 at my town's Christian bookstore, which is pretty remarkable for a double CD.
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It's remarkable that Christian bookstores are still carrying Jars of Clay albums to begin with.
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Hey now, let's not get distracted... [tongue]

In all honesty though, I kind of feel like it's my duty to buy it from the Christian bookstore in my town so they know to keep carrying Jars!
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Hey now, let's not get distracted... [tongue]

In all honesty though, I kind of feel like it's my duty to buy it from the Christian bookstore in my town so they know to keep carrying Jars!


If their definition of "Christian music" isn't as narrow as the stereotype some of us like to make fun of, then yeah, support the heck out of 'em.

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My full review:

http://murlough23.wordpress.com/2014/08/20/jars-of-clay-20-i-am-not-the-only-one-to-blame-for-this/

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Awesome, David! I'll share that as a part of the weekly review tomorrow.
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In response to Murlough's in-depth and well written review, I have to admit, I really like the new GWLUYH version.  Sure it may have been a bit jarring at first listen, but after a few more listens I have found myself really enjoying it, especially the half tempo chorus and the bridge.  There's a part of me that still wants the full tempo chorus, but I can go to Redemption Songs for that.  With the new version,  I can't help but sing along with it.  

Also, I really dig the new Love Song.  It seems like it has a new passion driving it.  It has a new level of emotion in the song.  The whole album is fantastic.  I'm not one to rate songs on any kind of scale because it often can be tainted by my current mood, surroundings or activity.  One day I might be in the mood to listen to more upbeat Jars and some days the scaled down Jars.  When I take each song from 20 and listen closely and patiently, I find myself immersed in the beauty of it all.  Love it. 

Nicely done Murlough (David).
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I'm really nitpicky when it comes to slowed-down tempos. Probably because I got really tired of worship leaders doing it during the last chorus of a song. I'm glad others are open-minded enough to not have that weird hang-up.
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