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MikeHarvat

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Side observation: I think this thread has been a good barometer for the overall health of this forum since our relaunch. We might be a little smaller than we were in the past, but it's made me so happy to see dedicated fans discussing the new album and interacting in a respectful manner. You guys are awesome!
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Side observation: I think this thread has been a good barometer for the overall health of this forum since our relaunch. We might be a little smaller than we were in the past, but it's made me so happy to see dedicated fans discussing the new album and interacting in a respectful manner. You guys are awesome!


That might be due to process of elimination. Every time the band changes their sound, they weed out a few more stubborn people who finally lose hope that they will return to the sound of their first album. I don't mean to imply that those folks are dumb (though I've certainly been guilty of doing so in the past). It's more that they're closed-minded, and not the sort of fanbase a group with genuine creative chops can hope to sustain in the long run. And folks like that tend to be very opinionated, which leads to clashes with folks like me who are very opinionated on the subject of listeners needing to broaden their horizons.

But then some of you guys have opened my eyes to things I was missing when my reaction to a Jars song or album was initially rather negative, too. So feel free to slap me for every time I've made pretentious comments insinuating that I'm the only smart person here.

It also helps that I've learned better online social skills since the mid-2000s, when it seemed I was getting banned from a different message board roughly once a month. And that the moderators are a lot less trigger-happy than they used to be.

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I think jars 20 is like a mesh of 11th hour and who we are instead? I don't know. it's just me.
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i MUST say...this album is SO fun to sing along to. I love it...harmonizing is fun! This style is so easy to get into and sing along to. It's great. I just get it. Anyone know who does some of the background female vocals? 
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i MUST say...this album is SO fun to sing along to. I love it...harmonizing is fun! This style is so easy to get into and sing along to. It's great. I just get it. Anyone know who does some of the background female vocals? 


Mancy A'lan Kane (I forget her married name) on "Worlds Apart" and Ashley Cleveland on "Jealous Kind". Same as the original versions.

If you think you hear a female backing vocal elsewhere, it's probably just Steve singing falsetto.

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Does anyone know why the band didn't allow voting for any songs from The Shelter to be included on the album?
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Does anyone know why the band didn't allow voting for any songs from The Shelter to be included on the album?


I remember in one of their pledge updates before the voting started, they mentioned that they still had some decisions to make, and one of them was whether to include songs from The Shelter. I don't know why they ultimately chose not to, but at least the idea was on the table at one point. It could be that they decided that album wasn't "theirs" so much as it was a collaboration, but I'm just speculating.

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David's response is on par with what the band has said about The Shelter. Apparently they wanted it to be a City on a Hill-like record with more collaboration, but for whatever reason it ended up being marketed as "the new Jars of Clay album."
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David's response is on par with what the band has said about The Shelter. Apparently they wanted it to be a City on a Hill-like record with more collaboration, but for whatever reason it ended up being marketed as "the new Jars of Clay album."


That reason probably being that Essential had wanted a "worship album" from Jars in the past, and they said no. (Apparently hymns don't count as "worship". What do I know, I'm not a record label exec.)

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It's bugging me that the lyrics for the two new songs weren't printed in the 20 booklet (though this is mitigated somewhat by the "Gee whiz, my name's in the credits!" factor). They can't be found anywhere online, either. So I'm going to take a stab at "If You Love Her", and hope that a few of you youngin's who haven't suffered from partial hearing loss due to attending one too many rock concerts yet can help me fill in the gaps.

There are no children left here, all have forgotten their home
A silent mission bell, last coin thrown in the well
Her breath is ragged and stale, we all become like stones
That stretch across the hills, we feel it in our bones
 
You go find the water
You go find the water
 
If you love her, if you love her
If you love her, if you love her
At all
 
Dig into the red clay, thread a needle in the wrong vein
We bury it again, until the light comes in
Woven in the soil now, our work, our hope, our clothing
This penny in the snow is under there, we know
 
You go find the water
You go find the water
Words will now run dry, never certain, never fine
You go find the water
 
If you love her, if you love her
If you love her, if you love her
If you love her, if you love her
At all
 
Make yourself useful
Build and gather some more

You go find the water
If you love her, if you love her
At all
 
She had a dream one night while sleeping
In the hunger, in the cold, ??? girl so alive
All smiles and hopes and ???
She'll spin around, she'll spin around
She started rising where the pain can't touch her
If you love her then you'll go find the water
Let her run ??? miles ??????
Let her dream with the mind of a child

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Maybe those of us who ordered the vinyl will get it as a Christmas gift.  hehe.  Anxiously awaiting it.

UPDATE 10/29, I just got an email saying my lp had shipped.  Hopefully you'll all start seeing your stuff soon.
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Got my lp's today.  It is very well done.  The booklet that in included is well done.  The two new songs are on a 45.  That isn't bad if you like all the "old" songs in a set and the new ones separate.  Of course in mp3 forum, you can arrange them however you like.  

Jars does well to their fans.  Ready for the next album.
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the 90's is when most of the christan record lables is when they got bought out by the biger compines most of  ccm was owned by indiepeant who where the people who started their own record lables for christan arist  people in the bussiness and it was more focused on bring people to the lord back in the 1970's and 1980's and early 90's. now it's just very comerzlied i am not saying jars of clay but alot of other bands. i am just saying once alot of money gets invoved and biger labes take over you are going to lose some things i wounder what jesus would think? he didnt' make a living off what he did, yes him and his followers where given money of which Judas was the keeper of it. but Jesus didn't not even own a home or a place to live, he was not wealthy. if people say that Jesus was weahtly they are just wrong. he was poor . i studied this in school.
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